tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post1105602633344783070..comments2024-01-31T17:34:09.607-08:00Comments on Seahawks Draft Blog: Draft thoughts: Detroit's second pick, Seattle and Anthony DavisRob Statonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-64419812282809901782010-03-13T23:10:51.083-08:002010-03-13T23:10:51.083-08:00Wow, I just read that link Clanterman. Matt McGui...Wow, I just read that link Clanterman. Matt McGuire was pretty harsh, but I honestly can't disagree:<br /><br /><i>"This blog was written in the direction of Rutgers offensive tackle Anthony Davis. Davis has had a reputation for a very poor work ethic and immaturity in his collegiate career. He showed up to training camp last year very out of shape, was demoted, then performed very poorly early in the season.<br /><br />At the Combine, he again showed up out of shape and looked sluggish in drills. How does a very athletic offensive tackle nearly fail to crack a 5.40 40-yard dash? I'm not big on the 40, but everyone needs minimal standards.<br /><br />Furthermore, I've been told by a couple sources that in the interviews, Davis didn't own up to the question marks and things scouts found out about him.<br /><br />Now, he doesn't show up to his Pro Day because he was "sick" and had a "hamstring." Oh, and he refused to weigh in.<br /><br />All signs point toward Davis not working out at all and showing no desire to be in shape for his Pro Day.<br /><br />I don't discriminate when I evaluate prospects. I gave the lazy, immature, overweight Alabama tackle Andre Smith a third-round grade and I will do the same for this Rutgers product.<br /><br />Players who don't care about the game and have zero work ethic just don't pan out in the NFL - especially after they earn a million-dollar paycheck.<br /><br />I personally see bust written all over Davis. He has too many red flags, and when you disrespect NFL teams and the NFL Draft process, odds are you will do the same once you're making millions." </i>Kip Earlywinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07226256849167085207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-76979116382302996942010-03-12T15:33:33.795-08:002010-03-12T15:33:33.795-08:00Wow. You are right. I am gonna have to pull an And...Wow. You are right. I am gonna have to pull an Andy Petite and say that I must have 'misremembered' that. Here I have been thinking that Palmer wasn't a bad QB but rather a good QB with a disability to overcome. Looks like he is just a bad QB.<br /><br />Brando<br /><br />BTW-just playin' about south paws being disabled... kinda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-78305538809194042782010-03-12T15:12:39.428-08:002010-03-12T15:12:39.428-08:00Brando - I do believe Carson Palmer is a right han...Brando - I do believe Carson Palmer is a right handed QB. However, you make some valid points.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-86220818471166071352010-03-12T15:02:36.571-08:002010-03-12T15:02:36.571-08:00"LB Andra Davis has been released by Denver. ..."LB Andra Davis has been released by Denver. Potential move in preparation for a Marshal/Seattle trade?"<br /><br />Definitely not a good idea to splurge on a new Hill/Hawthorne jersey right now. Cutting Davis doesn't many any sense to me unless they were desperate to shuttle Marshall in exchange for our 4th LB.A-R-N-Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12774208633580908695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-20064311458985631042010-03-12T14:33:44.062-08:002010-03-12T14:33:44.062-08:00Andre Smith/Anthony Davis Comparison-It is importa...Andre Smith/Anthony Davis Comparison-It is important to note that Cincy has a joke of a scouting department (4 scouts. Seahawks have 10…). Furthermore, Carson Palmer is a left-handed QB. Therefore, the right tackle has more value than a typical RT because he is the one protecting the QBs blindside. Of course, they still don’t face the most talented pass rusher on the other team but they still have an increase in value. Also, let’s remember that last year’s draft wasn’t nearly as good as this year’s. These three things mixed with the Bengals habit of ignoring personality flaws made for a perfect storm that allowed Andre Smith to still go in the top 10. <br /><br />Do I think that Anthony Davis is a better player? Yes, but only on upside. In fact, if you look at their collegiate careers, Smith’s was hands-down better. His only flaws were those that happened right before the bowl game and then proceeding through the combine. Conversely, Anthony Davis’ whole senior season was fraught with turmoil and erratic play. He either dominated or was dominated. He came into camp overweight and was regulated to the second string. This followed up with a lazy combine and a nonexistent pro day makes me have more concerns with his character then I did with Andre Smith’s. Smith still have his stellar collegiate career to say, “hey, this is the real me. Not this other guy who got the bad advice.” Davis doesn’t. In fact, Davis’ only saving grace is that his upside is huge. Like Smith’s flapping gut huge (aka-All-Pro huge). <br /><br />Would I take Anthony Davis? Absolutely not at 6. I will leave the Beast or Bust picking to Al and his minions. However, if he is there at 14 and my scouts (Rob S., Kip, Matt, Rob R., Kiper, McShay, etc.) give me a high grade, then yes, I would take him. <br /><br />Even though I think that these two players have differing values and different back stories, I agree with Rob that they are a good match. Smith didn’t drop because of all the issues I laid out above but I can see Davis not dropping because of his incredible upside. I just hope that the Hawks aren’t the team that keeps him from falling to 14…<br /><br />BrandoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-34327867316317708842010-03-12T13:56:53.314-08:002010-03-12T13:56:53.314-08:00I'm sure a lot of teams will move Anthony Davi...I'm sure a lot of teams will move Anthony Davis down their boards. But teams who need a left tackle badly will seriously consider him. As you say, Clanterman, it only takes one team. I think both Washington and Seattle would seriously consider Davis - and that could be his landing spot.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-29058390282943353942010-03-12T11:40:58.546-08:002010-03-12T11:40:58.546-08:00http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog100311.php
...http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog100311.php<br /><br />Walter Football has an interesting comparison between Davis and Smith as well.CLantermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447309416733687861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-82718785725790355432010-03-12T11:38:03.266-08:002010-03-12T11:38:03.266-08:00A couple of things about Andre Smith from Cincinna...A couple of things about Andre Smith from Cincinnati. First off, he went #6 overall last year, but could it be that only the Bengals had him rated that high? All it takes is just one team to overrate a player. Perhaps the other 31 teams wouldn't touch him with until pick 20.<br />Another thing, if indeed teams did like him as a top 10 pick, chould his injuries, weight issues, character concerns carry over to Anthony Davis's draft stock?CLantermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447309416733687861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-47337047884825728012010-03-12T11:16:44.551-08:002010-03-12T11:16:44.551-08:00Annonymous - I said throughout last year that I on...Annonymous - I said throughout last year that I only viewed Andre Davis as a right tackle. The archives are there on the right hand side bar. He never looked like a left tackle to me - really struggled against an outside speed rush. Very good though for the running game and with tight end help. That's why I thought RT or guard. That view never changed at any point last year.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-803599228143786932010-03-12T11:15:11.333-08:002010-03-12T11:15:11.333-08:00Salem - I know the last couple of years have been ...Salem - I know the last couple of years have been tough, but Hasselbeck has actually missed 11 games. The results of not having consistency and quality at the position have shown. Given the chance to tie up any area of the team for five years down the line - I take the QB position.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-85571933805492329292010-03-12T09:30:55.107-08:002010-03-12T09:30:55.107-08:00Hey Rob, I disagree with you on this point - you s...Hey Rob, I disagree with you on this point - you stated that "Smith is only really projected as a RT or interior lineman."<br /><br />That is a hindsight projection, not a pre-draft projection. Before the draft he was considered a top 5, if not the #1 overall talent. No way does that match RT or interior lineman value. He was seen as a very accomplished and polished prospect and without the combine/post-combine issues he would have be the first LT drafted. He was dominate as a run blocker and very good as a pass blocker with very quick feet and lots of upside. Davis is comparable, but he's not better than Davis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-18870146396731054482010-03-12T08:05:31.045-08:002010-03-12T08:05:31.045-08:00LB Andra Davis has been released by Denver. Potent...LB Andra Davis has been released by Denver. Potential move in preparation for a Marshal/Seattle trade?<br /><br />cyscocysconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-31376055643604759042010-03-12T07:35:16.150-08:002010-03-12T07:35:16.150-08:00Rob,
We've had a stable position at QB for man...Rob,<br />We've had a stable position at QB for many years this last decade but have only done something with it when our offensive line was stout, our RB was MVP, and we could get to the opposing QB. <br />Even then our passrush failed us. Our QB played great. <br /><br />...OK the officials failed us too...Salem Seahawknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-65871011912356989552010-03-12T06:03:57.427-08:002010-03-12T06:03:57.427-08:00Salem - if I was being truly honest, in five years...Salem - if I was being truly honest, in five years I'd like to see the Seahawks with a stable position at QB more than anything else.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-47215929038688945412010-03-12T06:02:47.235-08:002010-03-12T06:02:47.235-08:00Johnny B - when accumulating a mock I try to proje...Johnny B - when accumulating a mock I try to project what I think a team will do and not necessarily based on need.. Obviously the problem with all mocks is you never can truly understand what a front office or GM is thinking. The unexpected can happen. But I like to think I do more than go by standard needs. I've tried to mix things up. Dallas taking Demaryius Thomas? A lot of people would say unlikely, but I could see it. McClain to KC? Spiller to Pittsburgh? I don't think these moves are just blatantly based on team needs as you suggested.<br /><br />Regarding Clausen - I think the point rings true. This isn't my opinion of Clausen or McCoy or a team picking over need. The point is - if the Seahawks (and it remains a big IF) felt Clausen was worthy of the 6th overall pick and could be a franchise QB, I'm not sure there's a prospect in the draft that would fall to make them think - actually - we're going to pass on that. I am a huge fan of Gerald McCoy. But if the team feels Clausen is a franchise QB, they 'could' take him regardless. It's not a ridiculous proposition in my opinion, and was thrown in there to create this kind of debate. But in the same way St. Louis are taking Bradford instead of that 'once in a decade' DT (Suh) I believe the same could, essentially, happen in Seattle. It's not me saying that'll happen based purely on need, I think it's a valid suggestion. Either the Seahawks want Clausen to be the face of the franchise or they don't. I don't think there's any middle ground here where by they say - we want Clausen, but only if this defensive tackle isn't there.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-19672940886798318592010-03-12T01:51:43.049-08:002010-03-12T01:51:43.049-08:00Let's flash ahead 5 years from now. If your th...Let's flash ahead 5 years from now. If your the Seahawks what would you want out of our 2010 Draft? Improved O-Line, dominating Passrusher, Quarterback of the future, more stingy secondary, somewhat of a running game?<br />Fix the O-Line and improve the running game first. Pressure the opposing QB and improve the secondary second.<br />With this year's QB crop...it's not the time to look for that.Salem Seahawknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-37754453741675062062010-03-12T01:44:30.572-08:002010-03-12T01:44:30.572-08:00I agree with that Steve. It sounds just like the o...I agree with that Steve. It sounds just like the opposite of what Al Davis would do. And so can't be that bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-6506468151362266892010-03-12T00:49:20.259-08:002010-03-12T00:49:20.259-08:00A rookie LT is not a quick fix for pass protection...A rookie LT is not a quick fix for pass protection problems. You can't expect to draft some kid and throw him into the lineup week 1, squaring him off against the best pass rushers in the world and expect him to suddenly outperform a league-average veteran like Backus. The jump from college to the pros is huge. Not only does one have to digest a massive playbook of blocking schemes, you have to gear up to the speed of the game, learn to defend a bevy of pass-rush moves you've never seen in college, learn to recognize and pick up complicated blitz packages. Backus may not be the greatest athlete, but he knows the playbook, he's up to the speed of the game, and he knows the pass rushers and their moves. He'll be better in 2010 than anybody they can draft and throw out there.<br /><br />The Lions very well could end up going LT in round 1 but, if they do so, it will be with an eye to the future.<br /><br />So what quick moves can you realistically make this off-season to radically improve your pass protection? Here's how I'd build my garage for my Ferrari.<br /><br />First, draft McCoy or Suh. Sacks are generally a product of situation. The situation of being behind late in the game. If the Lions are down two scores in the 4th quarter, the pass rushers can pin their ears back and go after Stafford's head. That's why it's so important to get top quality talent at all levels. A McCoy or Suh can make an instant impact in improving the defense, thus keeping scores tighter late in the game, and thus keeping the pass rushers on their heels. <br /><br />Second, I'd build a dominant run game. I'd target Iupati at the top of round 2 and Ben Tate in round 3. Stafford needs someone else to share the load and be productive on first and second downs so he isn't caught in 3rd-and-long blitzing situations. I think an Iupati/Tate tandem could make a quick improvement. RBs in particular need less time to transition to the NFL, especially if they are used primarily on 1st and 2nd downs.<br /><br />Those changes will do more to "protect the investment" in Stafford than just drafting "Top Rated LT."Steve in Spainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-72450908728474990322010-03-11T23:22:52.407-08:002010-03-11T23:22:52.407-08:00I love this blog, I really do, I hope it lives for...I love this blog, I really do, I hope it lives forever; but I have to say the mocks and predictions here suffer from the same weakness that all mocks and draft predictions do. Because no one can tell what the teams think of each player, they basically ignore that issue in favor of the team needs. Prognosticators go to great lengths to explain teams needs, yet the players picked almost always have much more to do with how good each team thinks they are going to be.<br /><br />McCoy is a once in five year talent at Dline. He is probably going to make any team much better, even if they have a decent tackle already. Clausen is the sort of quarterback who can be found at the top half of the first round of almost every draft ever conducted.<br /><br />You have to be extremely desperate for another position, like the Rams are for a quarterback, and you have to have that other position and player, like Bradford, rated very very high in order to pass on a guy like McCoy. We'll see if that even happens.<br /><br />But to think that the Seahawks would pass on McCoy to take Clausen if the insane happened and McCoy fell to #6, is just a case of getting too wrapped up in a needs analysis and forgetting how NFL teams really draft. IMHOJohnnyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480622074021055014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-12883638347439007572010-03-11T21:43:43.115-08:002010-03-11T21:43:43.115-08:00The Lions might determine that they can best prote...The Lions might determine that they can best protect Stafford by improving the interior of their line with their second pick. They might have their choice of guards/centers at that spot.<br /><br />As for Davis, I think those who like him are the same people who like JPP. I'm not one of those people. He looks like he has no idea what he is supposed to do out there. To me, Bulaga is the best of the tackles and you take him without worrying about "upside."<br /><br />Nick N.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10927878933458959311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-17257062979655345562010-03-11T20:48:27.291-08:002010-03-11T20:48:27.291-08:00I do not see the Lions spending some 15-20 million...I do not see the Lions spending some 15-20 million on the DT position per year. It would get close to 20 if the pick Suh at #2. <br />It seems like people think that Corey Williams has no worth. He is pretty much dominant in my opinion. 18 sacks in four years and that really all happened in three of those years because his first year at DE in a 3-4 was void with only .5 sacks. so 18 sacks in 3 years does not seem second rate to me. 11 passes defensed and 8 of those in the last two years. <br /><br />I really don't care all that much what the Lions do though. Also looking at the stats I "almost" like Brian Price's stats over the last two years better than Mccoy anyhow.<br />I think it is like 13 sacks for Price vs 12 for Mccoy<br /><br />Hawks should go LT and DT in the first round unless the correct QB is there, then it needs to be QB, LT. If a QB is not ther I suggest trading back with #6 because though mccoy is touted as being better Price is younger and we would be able to get another 2nd round pick.<br /><br />Thin in the second round we pick a S and WR.<br /><br />I am hoping that WR is Marshal with #40 before the draft and any combo of Hawthorne, Branch, or any others that we have that are worth anything in the trade with Denver.<br /><br />Our draft could then look like this<br />Say we trade unfavorably back all the way to Houton at 20 from #6 and we pick up # 51 as well. According to the value chart we are loosing a lot of value 350 points. But I think this would still be worth it especially if we could pick up a player or players in this trade. Last year the jets traded up to #5 from 16 and gave there 2nd rounder and something like 3 players.<br /><br />Our draft could be, #14 Charles Brown, 20 Brian Price or Jared Odrick, 40 (and change) Brandon Marshal, 51 one of these(Nate Allen, Chad Jones Morgan Burnett) at the Safety position.<br /><br />This fills four huge needs with 4 exceptional players. We also could pick up a RB early round four who could likely beat out Jones to split time with Forsett!!Jony-bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08831175556476771772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-76342421088824957262010-03-11T20:14:23.376-08:002010-03-11T20:14:23.376-08:00How can anyone say that a DT is more important tha...How can anyone say that a DT is more important than the health of #1 overall QB. I am not even saying that Okung is going to be the LT that the Lions choose. But they need to at least consider it, and probably go for it because whether you want to admit it or not.<br />Stafford is not protected well enough, as the QB for the Lions was sacked 43 times this season. Mind you that Stafford was in and out due to injury because of these sacks. <br />If they are set on going BPA it is obvious that it will be Suh. Last year they did not take BPA according to the league. They took a QB and a TE which were huge needs and very good pick ups but would not have been considered BPA by many experts. <br />I think the stats of 43 sacks in one year and a rookie in and out due to injury shows that even if they Like Backus they must upgrade the o-line.<br />This off-season they have already upgraded the d-line 2 times in FA.Jony-bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08831175556476771772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-52306717764499287702010-03-11T19:11:22.889-08:002010-03-11T19:11:22.889-08:00Another scenario: St. Louis takes Bradford and Was...Another scenario: St. Louis takes Bradford and Washington drafts Clausen. At 40, would be a reach to draft Tebow? (I saw him going to Buffalo at 41, but I'm far from an expert, so I can't tell if this is a reach or not). Seattle is reportedly watching him. Another question: why Teel can't be Hasselbeck's heir? I read that he has some problems with his accuracy, is there any other problems with him? Thanks!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02226719386433471411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-43426740876889995942010-03-11T19:03:30.052-08:002010-03-11T19:03:30.052-08:00Wow, lots of colorful comments. That made for som...Wow, lots of colorful comments. That made for some fun reading. Good points Brando in regard to BPA and the last two drafts as well as Backus.<br /><br />Rob, FWIW, I looked up Backus on those ProFootballfocus stats, and he actually ranked well, coming in as the #12 offensive tackle in the NFL (+10 points). By comparison Lock was tied for 40th. Its strange then that so many draft sites have called tackle a huge need for the Lions for months now. Maybe he's really under-rated? Although he does turn 33 in September, so that could be part of it. <br /><br />I do still think Suh is a luxury pick. Not that that's wrong, I think top 10 picks should go BPA barring extreme circumstances. But if they do draft a DT there, it really makes me question the addition of Williams. Paying $7 million a year plus a 5th rounder for a bench/rotational player is not a good move at all. Free agency moves and trades do tend to have repercussions in the draft too (like how signing Housh last year probably kept us from drafting Crabtree).Kip Earlywinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07226256849167085207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-42002005929596532672010-03-11T18:43:32.127-08:002010-03-11T18:43:32.127-08:00I see both sides. It will be interesting to see t...I see both sides. It will be interesting to see the actual result.<br /><br />Much thanks!Michael Hnoreply@blogger.com