tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post4677294400506461176..comments2024-01-31T17:34:09.607-08:00Comments on Seahawks Draft Blog: Revising Eric Berry and the SeahawksRob Statonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-87808235135470069852010-04-12T11:08:30.439-07:002010-04-12T11:08:30.439-07:00Rob I've been logging onto to the site for age...Rob I've been logging onto to the site for ages but have never contributed before. <br /><br />I completely agree with your comments about Berry's tackling. I watched a few Tennessee games on ESPN during the season and he missed tackles in every one - he just doesn't wrap up. I was really looking out for him in the games because of the Seahawks' need for a safety but thought he was really disappointing - the other safety, Denis Rogan actually seemed to make more plays (not suggesting he's a better prospect). <br />I was left wondering what all the hype was about and I wonder how many people saying he's the next Polamalu or Ed Reed actually watched him play.<br />Earl Thomas looked the better player in the couple of Texas games I saw.Ulstermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-76152732183839811862010-04-12T10:26:06.035-07:002010-04-12T10:26:06.035-07:00I'm still having a tough time with the idea of...I'm still having a tough time with the idea of picking a Safety in the top-6. .<br /><br />Is Spiller the better pick that will be harder to fill later in the round (or draft)? Are Berry and Spiller <em>Michael Huff and Chris Johnson</em> or are they <em>Darren McFadden and Troy Polomalu</em>? <br /><br />I think 14 might be too early for any of the other RB prospects. So, w/out Spiller, we could be settling on a 4th round RB - something that would probably piss me off but would learn to accept. Earl Thomas may be there at 14 if we skip Berry for another player at 6. I think Thomas is in the conversation with Berry. I don't think there is another back that can run, return, and receiver like Spiller can. Best may be close, but there are enough questions for him to slide to round 2 where we have the last pick in that round.<br /><br />That said, I also think we can wait on an OT and fill another position with 6. Perhaps Morgan. Perhaps Clausen. A lot depends on how the team plans to fill the LT spot and also how the first 5 picks fall.<br /><br />I also think that next year there will be some elite RBs, led by Ingram. It's possible we take a later-round RB and get by this season while building the lines on both sides of the ball and patching the defense. I can see the team not having RB as high of a priority as I would like it to be. There are some great prospects to be had at our first-round slots. If we factor in positional value, Spiller doesn't get taken at 6. Safety might not, either. Morgan and Charles Brown?Misfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391741204628687296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-72378129309794294652010-04-12T10:01:05.693-07:002010-04-12T10:01:05.693-07:00Vince,
I would agree that stats aren't everyth...Vince,<br />I would agree that stats aren't everything. But let me ask, if Davis had a great combine performance and Pro Day, would he not be a top candidate for the Lions at #2 overall?<br />If you say college performance and stats aren't an indication of success in the NFL, I would suggest not putting too much stock in Scouting Combines and scripted Pro Days. Tape doesn't lie. Anthony Davis was as good as any Left Tackle in the league last year and I believe to have a much higher upside than any other talent at that position in this years draft.<br />Although he projects as a better Man Blocking Scheme lineman, I would not be surprised at all to see him guarding our blindside for years to come.0verDraftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-9229088280707422892010-04-12T07:04:43.733-07:002010-04-12T07:04:43.733-07:00OverDraft - don't be fooled by stats (especial...OverDraft - don't be fooled by stats (especially those of ESPN) they no were near incorporate everything that goes into a play. Davis is one of the strongest tackles (football strength) and was able to save himself from poor technique with those massive arms just shoving defenders. <br /><br />You have to try and project players to the next level not simply base your opinion off whether or not he was a good college player. No doubt he was good at protecting the blind side at Rutgers, doesn't reflect how he will do in the pros.Vince Mulcahynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-65975933526629151192010-04-12T01:44:17.756-07:002010-04-12T01:44:17.756-07:00Micah - Berry played a lot of SS for Tennessee las...Micah - Berry played a lot of SS for Tennessee last year and was playing up at the LOS a lot. He'll do a better job of that than Babs who is essentially a converted corner playing free safety. I think the type of guy they are looking for is one that allows them to stack eight in the box but can also get back and cover when needed. Berry is capable of that, he just doesn't have great size and speed to be a major threat against the run. Someone like Taylor Mays has that size and speed and would be dangerous up at the LOS - he also has the ability to drop perfectly - but his coverage skills are poor.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-66310745890045033392010-04-11T21:35:54.750-07:002010-04-11T21:35:54.750-07:00Vince,
" Watch his outside foot; you will be ...Vince,<br />" Watch his outside foot; you will be able to tell the play call every time based on the depth at which he places that foot. To me such a dead giveaway that he lacks the ability to move well. Also watch for outside rushers to pull inside stunts, he will be beaten (footwork wise) every time doesn't matter who the opponent is. His change of direction is absolutely terrible and he cannot get his inertia under control to mirror a defender."<br /><br />I may have given Davis less credit than deserved. He flashes a Tell with his foot on Every play? With such an obvious advantage given to those "outside rushers" and his complete ineptness, and if you take out the Cinci game he managed to avoid giving up a SINGLE SACK in any other game all last year.<br /><br />In all honesty I didn't see his foot when he lined up so I can't say what it looked like. But I know he was the keystone in Rutgers line last year and their line was the best part of their team.0verDraftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-73661030326178124552010-04-11T19:27:10.482-07:002010-04-11T19:27:10.482-07:00Why wouldn't Berry be FS and have Babs or some...Why wouldn't Berry be FS and have Babs or someone else as SS? All the LOS safeties like Polamalu and Adrian Wilson are more imposing forces. If he's a ballhawk, then why not let him loose as FS and have him read the play? If we want someone who can play in the box, then we should probably take Taylor Mays at 14. If Berry needs to be close to the LOS to make all of his plays, then maybe he's not what we think he is. In the box safeties need to be stout against the run too. <br /><br />What kind of player are the Seahawks looking for at safety? We have the mold for Oline. We have the mold for rush End. We have the mold for big receiver. Do we want a physical safety or a playmaker?micahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-73616126707599344062010-04-11T18:47:49.968-07:002010-04-11T18:47:49.968-07:00Rob - You can't look at athletic for his size,...Rob - You can't look at athletic for his size, but in relation to OT's and more importantly DE's. ZBS under Gibbs will be especially harsh and cut blocking does not matter if you are 290 lbs or 350 lbs: if your body does not allow you to successfully do it, you aren't a fit. Otherwise why would Iupati not be even considered draftable at 14 by the Hawks (per the rumor)? Also Davis has shown nothing on film that would suggest his upside will come together, further suggested by his offseason habits.<br /><br />OverDraft - I have watched four games on Davis and he has been the most unspectacular of the bunch (based on technique + upside, but I don't view Campbell as top tier). His technique is far from great. He is forced to use his momentum to get his weight going instead of "natural" athleticism. Watch his outside foot; you will be able to tell the play call every time based on the depth at which he places that foot. To me such a dead giveaway that he lacks the ability to move well. Also watch for outside rushers to pull inside stunts, he will be beaten (footwork wise) every time doesn't matter who the opponent is. His change of direction is absolutely terrible and he cannot get his inertia under control to mirror a defender.<br /><br />Also compare Davis to the other elite tackles: Okung, Williams, Bulaga and Brown not to later round talent level. And just because he might be taken in the first round doesn’t mean he has the talent (see JPP).Vince Mulcahynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-92202747165518723662010-04-11T16:46:22.732-07:002010-04-11T16:46:22.732-07:00I look at Anthony Davis as the best pass blocker i...I look at Anthony Davis as the best pass blocker in this draft at left tackle. Did he look slow and sluggish at the combine - well yeah. To me he is the opposite of Bruce Campbell. Great technique but poor work out habits. If you watch Campbell when he plays he looks out of place and awkward. Watch Davis in a game, he's a natural blindside protector with great technique. You can even watch YouTube footage of Davis and Campbell - watch their kick slides.<br />Anthony Davis is young and probably a bit immature. Alex Gibbs is salivating at this kid. <br />5 years from now Anthony Davis may be the only All Pro tackle from this class.0verDraftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-71934845161035088002010-04-11T16:12:37.039-07:002010-04-11T16:12:37.039-07:00Vince - I appreciate that and whilst I've argu...Vince - I appreciate that and whilst I've argued in the past that Davis would better suit the man scheme, I think ZBS teams will show interest in him including the Seahawks. He's at least familiar with a variation of the system, he is athletic for a guy his size with major upside. I've made the comparison before to Ryan Clady - who similarly worked in the ZBS up until this upcoming season in Denver. Davis has some developing to do, not unlike Trent Williams. But there's major upside.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-992297718821390082010-04-11T15:30:43.496-07:002010-04-11T15:30:43.496-07:00Rob - Davis won't even be considered for Seatt...Rob - Davis won't even be considered for Seattle. He offers almost no scheme fit and is the least athletic tackle of the top two tiers this year. This should be apparent that the Hawks are not looking for football players but scheme fit players otherwise Rob Simms would still be on the team.Vince Mulcahynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-42101808584047630772010-04-11T15:27:17.471-07:002010-04-11T15:27:17.471-07:00I could see Okung dropping, but not out of the top...I could see Okung dropping, but not out of the top 10, haven't read that anywhere (Except here! Love the site, not trying to be a douche). <br /><br />Okung may not be dominate, but you can throw him in at LT on Day 1. Some think Williams and Bulgua will be better fits on the right side, Davis has maturity issues and Campbell is a workout warrior and nothing else. I think Okung and Brown have a chance to be the 2 best LT's in this draft.Tim Malonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11631182519512734934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-74824035374592841132010-04-11T14:59:47.623-07:002010-04-11T14:59:47.623-07:00Overdraft - absolutely, nice suggestion. I'll ...Overdraft - absolutely, nice suggestion. I'll have something on the blog about 2009 this week so stay tuned.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-82054181344625698102010-04-11T14:59:07.391-07:002010-04-11T14:59:07.391-07:00Personally, I think KC will go defense. I know a l...Personally, I think KC will go defense. I know a lot of people have them taking a tackle, but I don't think it will happen. They've invested a lot in their interior line already this off season to kick Albert back inside. He's a second year guy who was starting his NFL career learning to play tackle. I know the stats weren't good on paper, but he needs time. I'm not sure any of the tackles in this year's draft are any more likely to fair better in that offense.<br /><br />I look at Rolando McClain and still see a perfect fit for everything KC want to do on defense. He screams, to me at least, as the pick. They could move down a couple of spots and take him with change. They could take him at #5. Alternatives? Berry and Dan Williams. Maybe even Morgan but would be surprised.<br /><br />I've portrayed mocks where Berry has dropped out of the top ten. I think that should happen, but would Cleveland take him at #7? I'm not convinced but could see it. If they don't take him, what about Denver, Miami and SF? I can't see him making it to #14, but he could drop out of the top ten if Seattle does pass.<br /><br />Davis is an option for Seattle I think. If he falls out of the top ten - and I still think he could go at #4 to Washington, #8 to Oakland or #9 to Buffalo - then he is a very strong possibility for the Seahawks if they keep the #14 pick.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-25989504995995310132010-04-11T14:55:13.698-07:002010-04-11T14:55:13.698-07:00Rob,
Any chance of revisiting last year's draf...Rob,<br />Any chance of revisiting last year's draft a year later? Is the potential still there for first round picks? Any homeruns? Any absolute miscues? Still too early obviously but it appears some teams clearly recieved immediate upgrades and downgrades.0verDraftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-79031929295450592042010-04-11T14:19:08.802-07:002010-04-11T14:19:08.802-07:00The way things are shaping up, it's looking li...The way things are shaping up, it's looking like the first 5 picks will be Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Tackle, Tackle. I have to believe the FO realizes what a steal Morgan is here. Berry is a great pick after the first 10 picks. Any chances Berry slides this year? Though I would still go LT at #14. With all the shifting, the Seahawks would do good to investigate Anthony Davis.0verDraftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-77384849162438766542010-04-11T13:32:27.878-07:002010-04-11T13:32:27.878-07:00Overdraft - neither would I. Your name is quite ap...Overdraft - neither would I. Your name is quite apt actually for this subject and I'm going to talk about it more this week. None of the offensive lineman, for me, are worth top five picks. The position will probably dictate that three (at least) will go in the top ten. People talk about Okung like a dominant force - he isn't. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he dropped.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-90141146675719510102010-04-11T13:29:21.616-07:002010-04-11T13:29:21.616-07:00All 6 "Top Left Tackles" are shifting an...All 6 "Top Left Tackles" are shifting and swaying so much, I wouldn't be surprised if Okung is available at #14.Overdraftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-26513624679713359032010-04-11T13:15:27.688-07:002010-04-11T13:15:27.688-07:00Andy - Amongst well sourced speculation that Seatt...Andy - Amongst well sourced speculation that Seattle were considering Berry/Williams at #6 was also a suggestion that Spiller and Mike Iupati were not options with either #6 or #14. On paper it makes sense considering scheme and physicality.<br /><br />Fabulous - I am also a big fan of Morgan. Personally, I'd take him above Berry and Williams. He has to be an option at #14 if not at #6. I imagine in the unlikely scenario that Williams and Berry were both off the board - Morgan would be a good shout.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-30016416491376096852010-04-11T12:48:49.855-07:002010-04-11T12:48:49.855-07:00If Morgan is the pick, how would he fit in and wha...If Morgan is the pick, how would he fit in and what do you think our front four would look like?Faubulousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-41570014267671782742010-04-11T12:46:36.333-07:002010-04-11T12:46:36.333-07:00"As we discussed with the possibility of C.J...."As we discussed with the possibility of C.J. Spiller (we now understand he isn't an option for Seattle)" <br /><br />Could you explain this? I agree but I dont understand how he isnt an option.<br /><br />-AndyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-36516018021901999772010-04-11T12:37:56.356-07:002010-04-11T12:37:56.356-07:00Fabulous - I scouted Morgan for 5 or 6 games and I...Fabulous - I scouted Morgan for 5 or 6 games and I think he's a stud. I have a couple friends who have both done so as well, and they agree. One is a Lions fan who wants Detroit to take him at #2!<br /><br />I actually believe Jacksonville would pass on Morgan, though. They have 2 former 1st-day picks (both young) at DE, and they just signed a good LDE in Aaron Kampman. I think Morgan is probably a left end for a 4-3 team, and Jacksonville has plenty of those. I'm more worried about a 3-4 team thinking he could play OLB for them (something I think is possible). I do think he could make it to 14, but he might be too highly rated for a team to pass up.<br /><br />Otherwise, I pretty much agree with what you said.Kyle Rotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852143812226605646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-64513771199136389152010-04-11T12:29:35.729-07:002010-04-11T12:29:35.729-07:00Rob,
why haven't more people suggested Derrick...Rob,<br />why haven't more people suggested Derrick Morgan with our #6 pick? He has great positional value, he immediately steps in at the Elephant, and he has no real red flags. I commented on a previous mock from you that Berry should be our #6 pick but I have to say you swayed my opinion back then. <br />Safeties should not be taken that high. Blindside Tackles should be, we need one, there are multiple good options that should be there by #14. Pass Rushera should be, we need one, but Morgan appears to me to be in a league of his own this year. JPP doesn't come close and neither does Graham. Morgan more likely that not won't be there at #14 with Jacksonville in between.<br />We need a safety but wouldn't our #60 used for C. Jones, N. Allen, M. Burnett, or another 3 or 4 that are good value and probably available make a lot more sense?<br />We can't start Curry across from Jackson can we? Is Henderson or McCoy really intended to get a lot of playing time? If I'm the Niners or Cardinals I'm praying the Seahawks use #6 for a Safety. I'm dreading Derrick Morgan in Seahawk Blue.<br />What do you think?Faubulousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-9003807153395957572010-04-11T12:09:16.366-07:002010-04-11T12:09:16.366-07:00Johnny B - last year I refrained from passing too ...Johnny B - last year I refrained from passing too much comment on Taylor Mays because you never saw the guy he was so far behind the LOS. I don't make negative or positive comments lightly. I know I don't own coaches tape, but I have watched literally hours of Berry and feel I've seen enough to pass the comments I have. That doesn't mean people have to agree, but I like to think the opinions expressed on here are at least based off an element of study.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-71304155900105137652010-04-11T12:06:49.199-07:002010-04-11T12:06:49.199-07:00Tanner - I don't think Berry is a rare talent....Tanner - I don't think Berry is a rare talent.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.com