tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post9040075661045925676..comments2024-01-31T17:34:09.607-08:00Comments on Seahawks Draft Blog: Updated two-round mock draft: 24th MarchRob Statonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-88987441858458215612010-03-30T11:51:14.024-07:002010-03-30T11:51:14.024-07:00Well Rob i understand that part. All of the NFL an...Well Rob i understand that part. All of the NFL anylists are saying he is a top pick. But they are NFL anylists for a reason. Not just some guys off the street. And over rated? Well i belive it was the Texas game that he had 23 pancake blocks and no sacks allowed? Is that over rated to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-45669518243856493742010-03-28T14:19:42.869-07:002010-03-28T14:19:42.869-07:00Annonymous - I've studied Okung for two years....Annonymous - I've studied Okung for two years. I've posted a detailed scouting report from a guy I respect more than any other voicing the same concerns. Okung is hugely over rated and the only reason people call him a top 3 caliber pick is because the big names say so. I've never been convinced by his play. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong in the same level of detail - but until then I stand by this assesment:<br /><br />http://seahawksdraft.blogspot.com/2010/01/okung-osu-ugly-in-cotton-bowl.htmlRob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-78480218194371197792010-03-28T09:38:07.051-07:002010-03-28T09:38:07.051-07:00Dude. Seriously. Russell Okung falling to 23? You ...Dude. Seriously. Russell Okung falling to 23? You have got to be kidding me. I am a HUGE packer fan. And i would LOVE to have Okung. But your seriously high if you think he well fall to us. He is a top 3 caliber pick. For him to fall past 5 is a cold day in hell. And to 23? Haha yea. Dont think so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-46312417980332541182010-03-27T16:49:29.000-07:002010-03-27T16:49:29.000-07:00TheOUTLAW - Decker does not carry a 5th round grad...TheOUTLAW - Decker does not carry a 5th round grade. Browns GM Tom Heckert went and personally watched Decker a number of times in 2009. He has great hands, runs good routes - Holmgren's offense is all about timing and knowing your job. Decker would be a perfect fit. It might not happen, but then there isn't a mock draft on the internet that will get every pick right. I try to use some justification for each selection - I don't think it's a 'dumb' selection and I'd like to try and keep a more personable tone to the discussion.<br /><br />Annonymous SF fan - I've had SF taking Haden and Trent Williams for most of my mocks. However, I like to look at different scenarios. The 49ers aren't sold on Smith which is why he didn't beat out Hill last year. He likely would've been cut by now but for the stigma of the high pick. If they think Clausen is a potential franchise QB and a top ten pick - how can they pass? Of course, if they don't think Clausen is a franchise QB, they don't take him. Same goes for all the teams choosing before SF. However - someone will like Clausen.<br /><br />Most of the tackles have gone by that point and I think Okung is heavily over rated. I don't think it's a stretch to see him potentially fall on draft day. I've portrayed that here. Mays will interest teams even if people are down on him right now. He can do a good job for a team like SF who have the kind of mentality that Mays himself already uses on the field - we'll hit you in the mouth and make you hate to face us.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-80026034495886518952010-03-27T07:57:57.227-07:002010-03-27T07:57:57.227-07:00You have got to be kidding with the Browns taking ...You have got to be kidding with the Browns taking Decker in the second. He's got about a 5th round grade. CB (Ghee, Cook or Franks) or OLB/DE (Hughes or Sapp) make way more sense for the Browns than doing the dumb pick you have suggested.TheOUTLAWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-16903018002681711852010-03-25T20:03:50.849-07:002010-03-25T20:03:50.849-07:00As a 49er fan I am not shocked you gave us such a ...As a 49er fan I am not shocked you gave us such a bad pick at 13 and Taylor Mays at 17. The 49ers are NOT going to take Jimmy Clausen when they have bigger needs in the secondary and on the offensive line. Alex Smith was not great this past season, but he was not horrible either. OL and a defensive pick (secondary) will be where SF goes with their two picks in the first rd. Singletary has a little power but Jed York aka wannabe Eddie D Jr has more power than MS. SF will not bypass taking an Okung who will be taking in the top 10 if he somehow fell to 13, and they sure as hell would not pass on Haden, with their needs at the corner position. Sorry but this is a bad mock for SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-43943334915361561292010-03-25T17:07:15.710-07:002010-03-25T17:07:15.710-07:00Why?Why?Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-31354300046993636622010-03-25T16:14:47.117-07:002010-03-25T16:14:47.117-07:00appreciate the effort, but I think this is fairly ...appreciate the effort, but I think this is fairly far off.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173282786158055100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-51409052357843067802010-03-25T15:42:47.226-07:002010-03-25T15:42:47.226-07:00Derek - I think Brandon LaFell has the ability to ...Derek - I think Brandon LaFell has the ability to be a #1 guy but he's just under achieved so much. Demaryius Thomas could be, but he's risk reward because of the offense he comes from. The rest? They're all really complimentary guys. Mike Williams has talent, but a bad attitude.<br /><br />Griffin - I just think the Seahawks and Pete Carroll will be looking for more of a spark than putting their faith in retreads and late round picks. They need someone who can literally be a threat to score every time the ball is in his hands - that's what Spiller is. He'll put six points on the board. Seattle's offense has nobody like that and won't find it with servicable guys. I know the history of the ZBS, but I don't think the Seahawks will be strict Gibbs all the way through. Carroll always had playmakers at SC. Spiller is explosive, he makes big plays.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-66442333717657430602010-03-25T15:37:52.693-07:002010-03-25T15:37:52.693-07:00Kip -fair point on Houston. Will look at alternati...Kip -fair point on Houston. Will look at alternatives later, I'm probably not the only one hoping that #60 can be used in a Brandon Marshall deal on draft day.<br /><br />Annonymous - In terms of pure ability, I like Morgan and Haden. However, I think the Seahawks will try to find some offense with one of those high picks. On paper, none of the lineman you mentioned are stereotype Gibbs lineman in size. I think the Seahawks will do due dilligence with those guys though and see if the quality warrants the pick regardless of scheme. If I was to be absolutely honest, it wouldn't much surprise me if Sean Locklear was the starting LT next year. People will hate the sound of that, but I think he'll do a lot better if the Seahawks can find some offense and move pressure away from the offensive line.<br /><br />Kip - I just think too many people are getting hyped up on Hardesty because of the combine. I like the guy a lot, but he's not a second round pick. Microfracture surgery is a major concern, already 23, four out of five years no production - that's not second round stuff.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-90396020828868893322010-03-25T11:51:59.261-07:002010-03-25T11:51:59.261-07:00The Niner picks are interesting. I do think that t...The Niner picks are interesting. I do think that they could end up with Clausen if he does fall. I think that they would take Dez Bryant at 17 if he were there too rather than Taylor Mays. That would actually be pretty scary for me. An accurate QB to go with now 2 stud WRs along with Gore, Coffee and V. Davis. That makes their offense incredibly high powered.<br /><br />I don't think that Washington gets out of this draft without a QB and probably a higher round QB. I also don't think that Anthony Davis will be a fit for Washington if they are going to run the ZBS which is what Shanahan does right? I think taking 2 Tackles is just way off, especially for a team that needs a QB and WRs.<br /><br />As for the Hawks, Spiller, Morgan and the DT would be pretty good in my opinion. I'm not totally sold on a RB this early but getting the most dynamic player in the draft is not something I'll complain about. I think he can handle 20 touches a game too. Maybe not all going between the tackles but running outside and catching passes are not going to punish his body as much. I would like to see us grab a tackle, Brown in particular but if they have someone later in the draft they are comfortable with then I'm comfortable with it too. <br /><br />GO HAWKS!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-16879151601707202152010-03-25T07:25:49.889-07:002010-03-25T07:25:49.889-07:00Rob,
So I've got a question for you. So I un...Rob,<br /><br />So I've got a question for you. So I understand that the team NEEDS playmakers, but what about other NEEDS? The FO went out and signed FA RB Ganther, they have J-Force, and ZB teams are known for being able to draft productive RBs in the later rounds. This would lead me to the conclusion that while they would love to have Spiller, he is a luxury pick.<br /><br />My reasonsing for this is because the team has two positions where they need someone who they can start from day one: DE (enter Derrick Morgan), and LT (enter Bulaga/Davis/Brown). I know Gibbs says that he redshirts his lineman, but he didn't redshirt Ryan Clady in Denver, and unless they think that Locklear can play the LT position, they aren't going to find a day one starter in the draft after pick #14...so what would they do?<br /><br />Your thoughts?<br /><br />GriffinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-931749693558032972010-03-25T06:16:43.421-07:002010-03-25T06:16:43.421-07:00Rob, I love your mocks. I keep seeing Cleveland pr...Rob, I love your mocks. I keep seeing Cleveland projected to take Eric Berry at #7 as the BPA. However, I remember Holmgren once saying that his biggest regret when taking over the Seahawks was focusing on building the defense first, and neglecting the offense. It may have been on KJR, but I think he said that if he could do it over again, he'd focus on the offense first, because he trusted how he could build a young defense to compliment an experienced offense, more than he could the other way around. True, his draft history doesn't reflect what he said (I think Lamar King in '99, Alexander-McIntosh in '00, Koren-Hutch in '01), but it seemed to be how he felt.<br /><br />Since this is his first pick to start changing the Browns to his liking, I have to think offense here: Spiller, Clausen, Bryant, or best-available tackle at #7. Then he'll focus on defensive studs in a couple years once their offense is improved.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165702491661265739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-36776379532186006102010-03-25T01:57:36.563-07:002010-03-25T01:57:36.563-07:00Kip, if Hardesty only produces when he's healt...Kip, if Hardesty only produces when he's healthy and he's been injured more often than not, I don't see how that alleviates any concerns. His production under the ZBS is intriguing though.<br /><br />Rob, I can see Clausen or Mays going to SF for the exact same reasons you stated. Remember, just six months ago Alex Smith couldn't beat out freaking Shaun Hill in training camp for the starting job. The same Shaun Hill who was later benched and cut. SF definitely doesn't believe in Smith and we saw how last year's draft they're willing to grab a falling star at a position of non-pressing need. I agree that Singletary would love a player like Mays. Pick 13 is where Mays starts to have value, and it'd make sense to steal Mays right before Carroll picks. <br /><br />But I think SF's #17 pick is almost surely reserved for a RT.Steve in Spainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-4404221681889997552010-03-24T22:33:50.817-07:002010-03-24T22:33:50.817-07:00Hey Rob or Kip, do you think there is any #1 recei...Hey Rob or Kip, do you think there is any #1 receivers in the draft besides Bryant? I feel that Housh is best in the slot so getting someone on the outside is important for our offense. If the Marshall trade doesn't go down and we don't get Bryant, is a receiver like Rejus Benn, Damian Williams, or Golden Tate, a possible number one receiver? I don't see us taking any of these guys at #14 but maybe if we trade back.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04982574632936648362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-1314206609196722022010-03-24T22:22:40.115-07:002010-03-24T22:22:40.115-07:00My favorite part of this mock is that you totally ...My favorite part of this mock is that you totally f'ed over the Niners by giving them Claussen and Mays in the first round. That is my nightmare scenario for the Seahawks to end up with, so thanks for dumping them on the Niners!Surf Hawknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-11826092485598930532010-03-24T20:53:23.980-07:002010-03-24T20:53:23.980-07:00I'll attempt to answer the question about Saff...I'll attempt to answer the question about Saffold, Veldheer, and Washington. <br /><br />Veldheer is very unlikely. Gibbs doesn't like his tackles over 6 foot 5.5 inches, and Veldheer is 6'8". He's also got shorter arms than Bulaga (33.0"). Bad combination. Oh, did I mention he played in a division II school? <br /><br />Washington is 6'6", which is probably close enough to consider him by height. He's got nice arms (35.5"). I can't speak for the FO, but his incestual mistake at age 16 doesn't bother me at all. Depending on how they feel about that, he could be on their radar.<br /><br />Saffold has short arms (33.6"), but otherwise checks all of the criteria. I think he's a very likely option if he somehow falls to the 4th round (IMO, 90% chance he won't). He's got a ton of experience and looked good in drills. From what I've read, he's a legit LT prospect. Might be considered at #60.Kip Earlywinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07226256849167085207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-27392329420825761002010-03-24T20:50:11.813-07:002010-03-24T20:50:11.813-07:00What do you think about Berry at #6 with Morgan at...What do you think about Berry at #6 with Morgan at #14 and then either Joe McKnight or Dexter McCluster at #60?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-50541026759198593732010-03-24T20:43:35.334-07:002010-03-24T20:43:35.334-07:00Rob, regarding Hardesty, in 2009 the Volunteers sw...Rob, regarding Hardesty, in 2009 the Volunteers switched to a zone blocking scheme, which he is very well suited for, plus he finally stayed healthyy, so that could explain the sudden jump.Kip Earlywinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07226256849167085207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-61529620669786490612010-03-24T20:43:13.654-07:002010-03-24T20:43:13.654-07:00Rob - completely agree that we need a playmaker bu...Rob - completely agree that we need a playmaker but you need an impactful player, that's production can't be replaced in later rounds. RBs are just not that. An elite WR would be much more acceptable at either 6 or 14 especially at the chance of losing Derrick Morgan. <br /><br />IMO John Schneider and Pete Carrol are betting that Charlie Whitehurst is going to be the guy. No questions asked you have to surround him with talent with your top picks in order to give him a chance. But if he doesn't have three seconds to throw the ball he will not be able to accomplish anything. Give him blind side protection with Charles Brown or Trent Williams and a RB at 60. Now you could see an offense starting to form. And I don't buy "redshirting" the 6th or 14th pick if it is a LT. You don't pay a tackle a min of 20 mil (14th pick) to sit around on the bench. Times change and PC will be on top of that change to put the best players on the field. Doesn't matter if tradition dictates otherwise. But maybe I took Carrol's strategies in a different light.<br /><br />As much as I don't like it, two of our three first picks will be offense just to help Whitehurst.Vince Mulcahynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-23166346337320096252010-03-24T20:26:10.560-07:002010-03-24T20:26:10.560-07:00Rob,
Will you be leaning toward Spiller and Morga...Rob,<br /><br />Will you be leaning toward Spiller and Morgan for Drafttek's mock next week?<br /><br />-WarrenUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384332532852114907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-86514830883368556442010-03-24T19:56:21.994-07:002010-03-24T19:56:21.994-07:00Rob, love the mock. Agree with Kip about the 2nd ...Rob, love the mock. Agree with Kip about the 2nd round too, I'd love Houston in the 2nd, but would like to see a SS or WR just to mix it up. <br /><br />Couple if comments:<br />I'm not a huge fan of Spiller at 6, especially when Haden is there at 15. A Morgan, Haden, Houston draft would be great for our D, and who knows, maybe we can pick up Saffold with the pick we get by trading down?<br /><br />What do you think of Saffold, Veldheer, and Washington as fits fir Gibbs' ZBS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-3609060328931196402010-03-24T19:23:38.061-07:002010-03-24T19:23:38.061-07:00Hey Rob, you've had Houston going to us in the...Hey Rob, you've had Houston going to us in the 2nd for quite a while now. I know you do these mock to show possibilities. Houston is a good pick at #60, but what if he doesn't last that long? Perhaps you could list some alternatives in future mocks?<br /><br />My best guesses would probably be a Strong Safety (Reshad Jones or Chad Jones) since we need a SS who's good enough to start immediately. Or perhaps Demaryius Thomas? He's the closest thing to Brandon Marshall in this draft. Hell, Tebow going to us at #60 wouldn't shock me at this point. He's a project to be sure, but he fits and Carroll just gushed about him the other day.Kip Earlywinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07226256849167085207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-50405175257033837552010-03-24T18:11:51.489-07:002010-03-24T18:11:51.489-07:00Annonymous - I had to google Aragon too... as much...Annonymous - I had to google Aragon too... as much as I'd like to pretend to be intellectual enough to enjoy a tome like L.O.R. - there's always too much sport on the TV to tackle reading something like that. Ditto for the long films. I rarely go to the cinema these days because everything seems to be a 3 hour chore.<br /><br />Back to the football - Brown remains a very viable option as an excellent fit into the ZBS and being familiar to Pete Carroll.<br /><br />Annonymous - excellent point regarding Morgan and that could happen. A lack of 4-3 teams after #6 though could mean he's likely to be there at #14. You could almost guarantee both Spiller and Morgan by going that way round. I'm not sure you could with the reverse (Spiller a real option for Cleveland and SF). But you make a very valid point regarding the DE position.Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5053006193215777292.post-58945576798215579832010-03-24T18:04:23.911-07:002010-03-24T18:04:23.911-07:00Vince - the thing is though, we've already see...Vince - the thing is though, we've already seen Gibbs talk about 'redshirting' rookies whatever round they're taken. Hardesty I like, but he's a major injury concern and he's already 23. Why hasn't he shown up at the party until 2009? That's four years of nothing. Matthews, for me, isn't anywhere near the playmaker Spiller is. If you put C.J. Spiller on the Seahawks team last year, they score more TD's. He makes bigger plays. That's the guy he is. He never played behind a great line or on a great team in Clemson. The guy scores TD's and he's a home run hitter. You put a rookie LT on the blind side, not much changes for me. I don't think the Seahawks will be afraid of drafting a guy like Spiller even though a lot of fans don't like the sound of taking a RB early. I think it's more likely than a lot of other people - Mayock said today that Spiller will be a top ten pick.<br /><br />As I've said, I understand the value of the NT position. That's why I've got 3-4 of those guys going in round two. However, Cody will scare teams. Character concern is one thing. Having to literally watch what a guy eats day in day out... almost to the point you have to baby sit him? That's a nightmare for the expense of a second rounder. Is he an imovable object? I'm not sure. He's huge, I'll give him that. He's not that strong though. By half time he could be gasping for breath. The position is important, ut is it 'that' important?Rob Statonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481945325907207562noreply@blogger.com